Bosh on the block, the WAY TO POWER.

[rednuhT]

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/59490/20090531/raptors_privately_considering_trading_bosh/

Here we go, team transformation in several easy steps (Presti, I hope you are listening to this):

1. Trade Green and the #3 pick to the Raps for Bosh and their #9 [We must also add Watson and Collison as fillers to get this done in a sign-and-trade, which is a plus if you ask me]. Hopefully we'd sign Bosh for 5 years at near max money.

Yes, this is a tough one, but I think it would have to be done. Green should be happy starting as a SF in Toronto, and Durant surely would understand why we'd want to couple him with CB4.

2. Trade the Raps' #9 pick and our own 2010 first rounder for next season for any of #'s 6-8.

3. Draft Steph Curry/Harden at #6-8.

4. Draft Terrence Williams/Tyler Hansbrough/Sam Young at #25.

5. Sign Gortat to a million or two above the MLE ($6.5mm/8.0mm per) and for 4 years.

All of a sudden, we're on the brink of something VERY special:

Westbrook
Sefolosha
Durant
Bosh
Gortat

With Krstic, Livingston, Curry, White, Ibaka, Weaver and the rook coming off the bench.

This team would be defensively strong and would outrebound virtually every opponent we face.

I would expect Curry to start by mid-season.

We'd still have the Suns' 1st rounder for next season.

[bbingham05]

i know everybody is thinking it but not saying it....dude you are on some serious drugs.

[rednuhT]

What about those moves do you not like? What about them are unrealistic?

[bbingham05]

As far as bosh goes, do you really think we would be a player next year...NO. He would go to the highest bidder and we would have basically given up 2 starters (green,collison) for him and have nothing for it. That my friend is not a smart move, unless you are Toronto who sees the writing on the wall that they will not be able to resign him so they are going to get what they can now before losing him for nothing.

[bbingham05]

1. Why wouldn't we just sign Boozer to what we have and say the heck with Bosh if we were going to spend that kind of money on a player.

Then we have Green, Durant, Westbrook and Boozer, and our #3 Pick.

2. I just do not think Curry will be a very good pro. I just think he is too undersized.

3. the only good part of your plan is Gortat. I hope this happens. I think the combo of him/Kristic could be good. This would also allow Nick to move back to the 4. Behind Green.

[rednuhT]

You don't read well, bub. The whole deal was predicated on a SIGN AND TRADE for Bosh.

[bbingham05]

Either way, I may be in the minority here. But I do not give up Green/Collison/ and a #3 for Bosh. Not any day of the week.

[Jimmy Early]

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/59490/20090531/raptors_privately_considering_trading_bosh/

Here we go, team transformation in several easy steps (Presti, I hope you are listening to this):

1. Trade Green and the #3 pick to the Raps for Bosh and their #9 [We must also add Watson and Collison as fillers to get this done in a sign-and-trade, which is a plus if you ask me]. Hopefully we'd sign Bosh for 5 years at near max money.

Yes, this is a tough one, but I think it would have to be done. Green should be happy starting as a SF in Toronto, and Durant surely would understand why we'd want to couple him with CB4.

2. Trade the Raps' #9 pick and our own 2010 first rounder for next season for any of #'s 6-8.

3. Draft Steph Curry/Harden at #6-8.

4. Draft Terrence Williams/Tyler Hansbrough/Sam Young at #25.

5. Sign Gortat to a million or two above the MLE ($6.5mm/8.0mm per) and for 4 years.

All of a sudden, we're on the brink of something VERY special:

Westbrook
Sefolosha
Durant
Bosh
Gortat

With Krstic, Livingston, Curry, White, Ibaka, Weaver and the rook coming off the bench.

This team would be defensively strong and would outrebound virtually every opponent we face.

I would expect Curry to start by mid-season.

We'd still have the Suns' 1st rounder for next season.


The problems I'd see with this proposal:

1. Bosh and Green are very similar players (a small power forward or a big shooting forward). Green is like a younger Bosh to me, and I wouldn't throw in something else to get him, like trading down in the draft AND throwing in Collison (Watson is addition by subtraction, so you're OK there).

2. The difference in the quality of players available in the 2009 draft at #6 vs. #9 (or #7 or #8) is not that great - certainly not worth throwing in a potential lottery pick.

3. Harden will NOT be available at #6.

4. No problem here, although I'm holding out hope that a pure shooter off the bench like Buddinger will be available at #25.

5. No problem with this one. I think Gortat or Millsap is going to be a Thunder player next year.

[rednuhT]

Bosh is bigger and stronger than Green. Bosh is a true PF. Green is a SF. Bosh can average 20/10. Green won't get us that. I think Curry will be a player.

[clippersgm]

neither of you are getting the point...who is this "green" character, and why on earth would Toronto want to trade Bosh for him?? LOL

[thunderquest]

The problem with that scenario, is that I am not even sure that lineup even makes us a contender in the west . . . yet it leverages our salary cap for half the next decade. You suggest paying Bosh near max, which is pretty comparable to what we will need to pay Durant in 2011; well that is nearly $40 Million split between 2 players; two thirds of our total cap. That is insane.

Do you really feal like Bosh is $15 Million better than Jeff Green; because that is the difference in what we would have to pay him over the next 2 years?

Has anyone stepped back to think about what our lineup could look like in two year if we just stand pat at #3.

PG - Russell Westbrook, Shaun Livingston
SG - Thabo Seffalosha, Wayne Ellington (2009 1st rounder), Avery Bradley (2010 Thunder 1st rounder, projected #11 pick)
SF - Kevin Durant, Jeff Green
PF - Nick Collison, DJ White, Greg Monroe (2010 Suns 1st rounder, projeted #9 pick)
C - Nenad Kristic, Hasheem Thabeet (2009 1st rounder)

I am no fan of Thabeet: but I dont want to mortgage a future that could contain both Monroe and Avery Bradley (the top rated high school recruits over the last 2 years) simply to move up. Instead of talking about the "big 3" we could be talking about the "big 6".

[clippersgm]

LOL..you sound like how we used to sound like in the offseason, for years...derrick rose this...greg oden that...now we got blake, ready to WIN!

[ThunderMonkey]

LOL..you sound like how we used to sound like in the offseason, for years...derrick rose this...greg oden that...now we got blake, ready to WIN!
My last memory of the Clips was the Thunder blowing them out on the road as their own smattering of fans booed. Regardless of picks I'll take my chances with this guy chief.

http://www.basketwallpapers.com/Images-05/Kevin-Durant-Thunder-Wallpaper.jpg

[clippersgm]

those boos convinced stern to rig the lottery in our favor...can't have staples empty for clippers games, meanwhile da okies are jus so thrilled to have an nba team, they'll milk u guys for the next 5 yrs or so of filling da stadium for a losing team...then stern will finally let you have shaq's son...diesel part deux...lol

[HotRocNRol]

those boos convinced stern to rig the lottery in our favor...can't have staples empty for clippers games, meanwhile da okies are jus so thrilled to have an nba team, they'll milk u guys for the next 5 yrs or so of filling da stadium for a losing team...then stern will finally let you have shaq's son...diesel part deux...lol

dude, your trash talkin' is about to get under my skin. either add something USEFUL or get the f*k OUT!

[slimjimzv]

To get back on track, giving up Green and the #3 would be an overpayment for Bosh, not b/c of skill level, but b/c the Raptors know they can't keep him and will likely end up trading him for much less. If not, so be it, but so far Presti hasn't overpaid for anyone and I don't think it will start now. If it isn't a great value, he simply won't make the deal.

All that being said, I don't see PF as a need and, therefore, don't think Presti will trade for one. That includes Blake, btw. I know that it would be a nice hometown story and all, but it's not vital to the team and there are much bigger holes Presti needs to focus on filling. With that in mind, I'll be stunned if he doesn't draft a SG (or maaaybe a PG to move RW over), and go after a center in FA. Of course, if there's not a value at center in FA. . .he'll stand pat again.

The ONLY reason I'd see him trading for Bosh is if he thinks he can play C for the Thunder. IMO he's a true PF, but. . well, I'm not an NBA talent scout. Like I said, if he did go for a trade for Bosh, it would be draft picks and expiring contracts going to the Raptors and not much else. There's no way Durant, Green or RW are going to be traded off this team FOR ANY REASON until their rookie contracts are up. It's just bad business to trade away cheap talent with awesome chemistry. Presti doesn't involve himself in bad business.

[clippersgm]

LOL...don't take it so personal..jeez..i add value to your forum as an outsider's opinion, rather than you guys patting each other on the back all day with your collison for amare trade scenarios...

go check out my thread: "Offer from Clippers"...there's some value there, for both parties...want to see your opinion so I can send my e-mails to Dumbleavy...

True Story: I stumbled across Dumbleavy's e-mail last year, by guessing a few, and used my Outlook "Read Receipt" function. Finally, a read receipt came back as "Mike Dunleavy", when the e-mail I sent didn't contain the full name "Mike" in it at all, so I knew it was his...

so I started e-mailing the coach/GM with my opinions...some reasonable ones...not no "collison for amare" nonsense...but he never wrote back...I would just get his read receipts...well, one day, after Elton left, and we traded for Camby, I analyzed the team, and decided we needed a scorer..I innocently emailed Dumbleavy, begging him to sign Ricky Davis, since he was a UFA last summer.....

There, that's my confession, and I would be hunted down and massacred by clippers fans if i posted it on clippers forum...i never e-mailed coach back since

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To get back on track, giving up Green and the #3 would be an overpayment for Bosh, not b/c of skill level, but b/c the Raptors know they can't keep him and will likely end up trading him for much less. If not, so be it, but so far Presti hasn't overpaid for anyone and I don't think it will start now. If it isn't a great value, he simply won't make the deal.

All that being said, I don't see PF as a need and, therefore, don't think Presti will trade for one. That includes Blake, btw. I know that it would be a nice hometown story and all, but it's not vital to the team and there are much bigger holes Presti needs to focus on filling. With that in mind, I'll be stunned if he doesn't draft a SG (or maaaybe a PG to move RW over), and go after a center in FA. Of course, if there's not a value at center in FA. . .he'll stand pat again.

The ONLY reason I'd see him trading for Bosh is if he thinks he can play C for the Thunder. IMO he's a true PF, but. . well, I'm not an NBA talent scout. Like I said, if he did go for a trade for Bosh, it would be draft picks and expiring contracts going to the Raptors and not much else. There's no way Durant, Green or RW are going to be traded off this team FOR ANY REASON until their rookie contracts are up. It's just bad business to trade away cheap talent with awesome chemistry. Presti doesn't involve himself in bad business.


Well said...

[Starksfan311]

To get back on track, giving up Green and the #3 would be an overpayment for Bosh, not b/c of skill level, but b/c the Raptors know they can't keep him and will likely end up trading him for much less. If not, so be it, but so far Presti hasn't overpaid for anyone and I don't think it will start now. If it isn't a great value, he simply won't make the deal.

All that being said, I don't see PF as a need and, therefore, don't think Presti will trade for one. That includes Blake, btw. I know that it would be a nice hometown story and all, but it's not vital to the team and there are much bigger holes Presti needs to focus on filling. With that in mind, I'll be stunned if he doesn't draft a SG (or maaaybe a PG to move RW over), and go after a center in FA. Of course, if there's not a value at center in FA. . .he'll stand pat again.

The ONLY reason I'd see him trading for Bosh is if he thinks he can play C for the Thunder. IMO he's a true PF, but. . well, I'm not an NBA talent scout. Like I said, if he did go for a trade for Bosh, it would be draft picks and expiring contracts going to the Raptors and not much else. There's no way Durant, Green or RW are going to be traded off this team FOR ANY REASON until their rookie contracts are up. It's just bad business to trade away cheap talent with awesome chemistry. Presti doesn't involve himself in bad business.


Durant is the only untouchable here. Green and RW can be traded for other better fitting cheap talent if thats what the team needs.

[Durantula]

i know everybody is thinking it but not saying it....dude you are on some serious drugs.

http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/photographs/large/c40747-14.jpg

[GP20]

Hahaha.. Collison for Amare. That's gold.

[bbingham05]

if we can get Collison for Amare we should try and throw in a protected second round pick in 2050 for Steve Nash.

[Obi-One-Ginobili]

The problems I'd see with this proposal:

1. Bosh and Green are very similar players (a small power forward or a big shooting forward). Green is like a younger Bosh to me, and I wouldn't throw in something else to get him, like trading down in the draft AND throwing in Collison (Watson is addition by subtraction, so you're OK there).

2. The difference in the quality of players available in the 2009 draft at #6 vs. #9 (or #7 or #8) is not that great - certainly not worth throwing in a potential lottery pick.

3. Harden will NOT be available at #6.

4. No problem here, although I'm holding out hope that a pure shooter off the bench like Buddinger will be available at #25.

5. No problem with this one. I think Gortat or Millsap is going to be a Thunder player next year.

I would say Jeff Green reminds me more of a Rashard Lewis type player. Just my opinion though.

[RedDirt717]

I would say Jeff Green reminds me more of a Rashard Lewis type player. Just my opinion though.

I was about to say the same thing.

[DAK!]

I would agree with that to an extent in that he's a tall, athletic guy who has outside range and a varied amount of skills, but Jeff Green is MUCH larger and stronger with more potential down low than Rashard ever had. When Rashard was at the same age he was still a stick and Green is growing steadily into a very strong man.